The Person of Romans 7 – Part 2

Here, in this post, I continue on from my initial thoughts on the person of Romans 7. The final argument that Romans 7 is in reference to our Christian life is based around the final two verses, 24-25:

Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

The argument posed to those, like myself, who take the other side that the man Paul’s speaks of in Romans 7:7-25 is not a Christian, goes something like this: At the end of Romans 7, Paul asks the pointed question of who can deliver him from such a struggle and he, then, replies to his own question – ‘Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!’ But, immediately after such a glorious statement, Paul goes on to state: ‘So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.’

The question: If Paul had now made the declaration in the first part of vs25 that he had been delivered from such an inner-struggle experienced as a non-Christian (remember that my argument is that the person of Romans 7:7-25 has not come into Christ), then why should he once again speak of this dual, inner-struggle in part B of the verse?

I must admit this is a good question, one that is somewhat difficult to grapple with. But I will try and give two significant responses to the question and one that will probably be considered of lesser value:

1. I believe we must consider the overwhelming testimony of the New Testament teaching as a whole in regards to what has happened in the lives of those who have come to Christ, which I have explored in my four previous articles on our identity in Christ. We all know and agree with the two hermeneutic principles of both comparing Scripture with Scripture and comparing one-off passages of Scripture with the whole context of the Bible. And I believe, as argued in previous articles, that the majority of New Testament teaching shows that a radical transformation has taken place in the lives of Christ’s followers in which we have been made new creations, God’s law has been written on our hearts and we can now look to walk in His ways as empowered by the Holy Spirit. For me, there is just too much teaching in favor of such resurrection change in our lives, and thus, we cannot solely regard the last half of Romans 7:25 as sufficient in building a major doctrine about the reality of one who has come to Christ.

2. Though, as I admitted, this second argument will be of lesser consequence, I still share it. In considering the whole teaching of the New Testament, and specifically the context of Romans 7, could it not be that the last half of vs25 fits more with the end of vs23. Do you see the connection when viewing it like this?

But I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

And, then, there is a sense in which vs24 and the first half of vs25 follow on from there:

Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!

It’s almost like Paul got ahead of himself with the glorious conclusion of vs24 and the first part of vs25, which then leads us into the magnificent words of Romans 8:

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. (8:1-2)

Some might yell, ‘Blasphemy,’ at such a consideration of connecting certain verses at different places, as if I wanted to rearrange God’s word. Please know that I have no desire to change around the word of God. I only suggest that we consider that certain thoughts connect with other thoughts. For think about the fact that Paul had already spent Romans 6 sharing the wonderful power of the gospel and the changes that have taken place in our lives. He then decides to go back to the struggles and impossibility of sinful mankind living under the law. Then, he closes such glorious teaching begun in Romans 6 with the words of chapter 8.

Therefore, though Romans 6 and 8 are not successively connected in Paul’s writing, they are more connected in the thoughts that Paul is longing to convey to us. I do not negate Paul being led by the Spirit in his authorship of the letter to the Roman church. But I also believe that God did not supersede the actual human personality in the authoring of His word. Just as Christ, the living Word, was both God and man, so is the written Word both inspired by God Himself and written through the unique personalities of the human authors. And so, I simply suggest we consider that vs23 and the last half of vs25 flow together, almost as if Paul jumped ahead with the glorious conclusion of vs24 and the first half of vs25, all the while desiring to go back and connect vs25b with vs23.

3. To end with a more substantial point, lets consider Romans 7:18

For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

Do you remember my whole treatise that one cannot have two natures within themselves? You are either regenerate or unregenerate, you are either the old self or the new self, you are either saint or sinner. It is impossible to be both. And though Paul can use the word ‘flesh’ in reference to that fallen part we are still learning to submit to the Spirit each and every day (see Galatians 5:16-17), it is obvious that, in Romans 7, he uses the word flesh to speak of the old self:

For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. (Romans 7:5-6)

We noticed that vs5 speaks of the past tense, what we used to be like, and vs6 talks about our new life by the Spirit. It is in vs5 that we find Paul using the term flesh in regards to the sinful passions in our old life. But vs6 declares a death has taken place. So we are now new creations who can ‘serve in the new way of the Spirit’!

My point, you ask? In Romans 7:18, Paul declared that nothing good dwelt in him, that is, in his flesh. But vs5-6, the main thesis of the chapter, unequivocally states that that part of us has been crucified. That good-for-nothing, sinful nature died! It is similar to Paul’s words found in Romans 6:7 and 14:

For one who has died has been set free from sin…For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Yes, nothing good dwells in us, but that is apart from Christ. But we are no longer apart from Christ. We are in Christ, and a death, burial and resurrection has taken place in our lives. The old self, or as Romans 7 calls it, the flesh, has been put to death. And we are now living resurrection life.

Some might ask: what about Paul’s statement in 1 Timothy 1:15?

The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.

As I looked at in a few posts back, I do confess that it is ok to recognise who we are apart from Christ. Sometimes we find ourselves weak and given in to much temptation. But we must also do what Paul did regularly and recognize who we are in Christ – and he did this a lot more than the former! Throughout his letters, Paul recognized some 164 times who he was in Christ.

In all, I stand on the overwhelming testimony of Scripture that, as those who are in Christ, we have been radically transformed by the power of the gospel. We are new creations with new hearts and a new desire to walk in the way of the Spirit. We do not have two natures within us at war – the old sinful nature and new nature in Christ. We are regenerated by the Spirit of God and, thus, the old self has been crucified with a new nature being granted to us.

Thus, my conclusion is that the man of Romans 7 is one who has not yet come into the new life given by the Spirit of Christ. In our struggle with sin and temptation, we cannot read such an experience back into Romans 7. Rather, we must recognize the truth of the gospel and the power of the new life Christ has granted us by His Spirit. In realizing and confessing such truth, I believe we will be set free to more fully walk in that newness of life (see John 8:32), to walk out the call of the good news of what Christ has performed on our behalf.

In the end, whether or not one agrees with my conclusion about this much debated passage, I would encourage us that we not solely make Scriptures like Romans 7 the basis for our new life in Christ. Rather, we are called to take into account the whole teaching of Scripture, including Romans 6 and 8. And in doing so, that might even give us a fresh perspective of the power of Christ in our lives. May we be empowered by Him to walk out the high calling in Christ.

4 thoughts on “The Person of Romans 7 – Part 2

  1. Interesting posts, although I have a couple of thoughts.

    One of my favourite sections in the OT is the chapters in Ezekiel of which his is a part:

    I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.” (Ezekiel 36:26-27)

    As such I am with you all the way that ther is no duality of heart or partial regenration in the beliver. We have been given a new heart and we have been born anew into Christ, our old self is dead.

    Where I would begin to be confused is that this is surely a spiritual rebirth not a physical one. The old body (the flesh?) still craves certin things that if I am not disiplined in controlling will lead me into sin. James 1:13-14 comes to mind: “When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.” This passage is clearly talking to believers and yet talks of our temptation coming form our own sinful desires.

    Even more than that though I would go as far as to suggest not all of my mind, even as a beleiver, is yet full surrendered to the Lord. As a christian I am still pulled to behave, think and speak in certain ways and I have to submit them to the Lord. In Romans 21 where Paul speaks of us being transformed by the renewing of out mind – surely this is an on going process, not completed on conversion.

    You may agree with what I am saying but the truth is when I read the end of Romans 7 it does absolutely speak of the experience I know and some times live in. The passage in no way condones the position, nor lets believers use to to argue away sin, it simply demonstrates that Paul understands the struggles on living out the truth that he is writing.

    I suppose my question would be that if there is clearly this tension between the desires of our new heart and the ‘desires’ of our physical body (and not yet renewed mind?) then why do we need to try and argue away a scripture that seems to recognise this. Your explanation would seem to see the verse differently mainly from a point of its lack of theological truth, but i wonder then why you think we sin at all if there is no apposing ‘pulls’ in our life?

  2. It’s good that you’re tackling this issue. It just came up in a discussion between Jim Magee and I today.

    What’s funny about the passage of Romans 7, to me, is that it is a classic example of how poorly we read our Bibles. Everyone reads it one nibble at a time, and it conveniently is even pre-chopped into little manufactured chapters and verses to help us with this task!

    The thing is, it is a letter. It is meant to be read in one complete sitting, from “cover to cover.”

    Most interestingly, if a person just reads it properly, there is literally no question or doubt as to what it means: it refers to pre-regenerate life. Absolutely without any question whatsoever.

    But people just pick this little verse here and there, and read little snippets, and then end up coming up with these poor interpretations of the readings.

    -ACR

  3. My point was not really about whether that passage in Romans 7 is talking about belivers, but whether the concept of an internal struggle in belivers is theologically wrong.

    Why do we sin if their is no longer some draw to sin within us?

  4. Paul,

    Thanks for the comments. This is no doubt a both difficult passage and part of our life to consider. Even after writing these 2 articles on Romans 7, I have still been challenged to consider that Paul has the Christian life in mind in Romans 7. I consider my own daily experiences – actions, words, attitudes, thoughts – and I know that there is an inner struggle, even as born again, new creations in Christ indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

    But for me, I am deeply concerned that too many Christians believe they have 2 natures inside. I think it is absolutely impossible to have 2 natures, a dualistic approach to the Christian life. As I challenged – you are either regenerate or unregenerate, new creation or old creation, saint or sinner, which I know you agree. That is one of my greatest concerns.

    In the end, I am ok if Paul is speaking about the struggle of one who is born again in Romans 7. But, even if the perspective of Romans 7 remains that Paul is speaking of an unregenerate person, I still know there are times where we really show our selfishness and sin, even as Christians. We would even find that we refer to ourselves as the ‘chief of sinners’ like Paul did in 1 Timothy 1:15.

    So, in all, I give room for struggle in the Christian life. We are daily called to die to ‘the flesh’ (though, for me, it seems Paul uses the word ‘flesh’ in Romans 7 to refer to the old self; but I think in places like Galatians 5:16-17, he uses the word ‘flesh’ to talk about the fallen part still left around even though the old self has died). But, in the end, as broken people who live in a fallen world and are, at times, bombarded with temptation, we do sin and fall short. And thank God for the cross – we need that truth every day still!

    So I do not want to negate the reality of struggle with sin, even as one born again. But I also desire to challenge us to not read our experience back into the Scripture, but consider Romans 7 in the midst of the glorious things of chapters 6 and 8, and maybe consider that chapter 7 does not say what we thought it said. In so many people’s lives that might hold on to a heavy ‘worm theology’ that says I am a still woeful sinner, yet all the while being a new creation in Christ, I can only expect they are going to regularly have turmoil and struggle, and thus, read that experience back into Romans 7. We need a fresh understanding of God’s heart and what He has done within us, yet allowing that we still have our flesh to submit to the Spirit daily, and to grow in the renewing of our minds, etc. And also, in this age, we will still sin and fall.

    I hope this was helpful. Thanks for the interaction.

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